The two congressmen featured on this page, Frank
Pallone and Adam Schiff, are tireless workers for the "Armenian
Cause." Let's examine their recent efforts to get the latest genocide
resolution passed. (Res. 106, dissected on this other page.)
Frank Pallone (rhymes with "baloney") truly groped down
the bottom of the barrel by pointing to Henry
Morgenthau, the U.S. ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during 1915. Morgenthau was a
bigot, and a dishonest man to boot.
Of course, on the surface, Morgenthau comes across as a beacon of integrity, because he
was the U.S. ambassador. (Ironically, of course, the real one of integrity who served as
the equivalent of U.S. ambassador from 1919 forward, Admiral Mark Bristol, is completely ignored.) That is what
Pallone and his puppet-masters are counting on, but the rest of us know the real truth
usually lies beneath the easy surface.
Even though Morgenthau's workings have been exposed through the excellent research of
Prof. Heath Lowry, it is truly heart-breaking that he and his propagandistic
"Story" book are still getting impressive mileage, particularly in the halls of
the U..S. Congress.
Less than one week after his tribute to Morgenthau (July 12), Pallone then made use (on
July 17) of the memories of a now-deceased Armenian woman, a mere child at the time of
Holdwater's comments have been footnoted in most of this page's articles.
PALLONE WORKS TO BUILD SUPPORT FOR GENOCIDE RESOLUTION BY HONORING FORMER AMBASSADOR
MORGENTHAU ON HOUSE FLOOR
States News Service, USA July 12, 2007 Thursday WASHINGTON
The following information was released by the office of New Jersey Rep. Frank Pallone Jr.:
U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ,) co-chairman of the
Congressional Caucus on Armenian Issues, made the following statement yesterday on the
floor of the House of Representatives remembering Henry Morgenthau, U.S. Ambassador to the
Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1916, and the first-hand descriptions  he gave of the Armenian Genocide, which began in that region in 1915.
The New Jersey congressman plans to give a series of speeches on the House floor in an
effort to continue to build support for the Armenian Genocide Resolution.
Earlier this week, the Resolution gained the support of a majority of House members.
"Mr. Speaker, the Armenian Genocide that was orchestrated by the Ottoman Empire from
1915 to 1918  is an irrefutable fact. Looking at the
history of this catastrophic event, it is impossible to deny that this was genocide  on all accounts. One way to hear witness to the truth
is to make reference to first hand accounts  at the
time the Armenian genocide occurred.
"Henry Morgenthau served with dignity as U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from
1913 to 1916.  In the wake of surging nationalism in
Turkey , and alarmed at reports of the Armenian
genocide, he repeatedly appealed to the U.S. government to intervene, without success.
Morgenthau addressed the genocide of the Armenians in a 1915 dispatch to the State
Department in which he warned that "a campaign of race extermination is in
"He then appealed to Ottoman rulers, also without result. Finally, he publicized his
opinions in his 1918 book of memoirs, Ambassador Morgenthau's Story, which documented his
experiences while in Turkey, including his vivid views of the Armenian genocide. 
"Morgenthau wrote: "When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these
deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to the whole race; they understood
this well, and, in their conversations with me, they made no particular attempt to conceal
the fact I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no terrible
episode as this." 
"In one of his addresses Morgenthau commented on the United States efforts during the
Armenian Genocide, "If America is to condone these offenses, if she is going to
permit to continue conditions that threaten and permit their repetition, she is party to
the crime. 
These people must be freed from the agony and danger of such horrors.
They must not only be saved for the present but they must be given assurance that they
will be free in peace and that no harm can come to them."
"At great personal risk and sacrifice, 
Morgenthau chose to intervene on behalf of the Armenians and even managed to help rescue
an unknown number of Armenians. Of course, in the end his efforts were unsuccessful.
Drained by his failure to avert this disaster, Morgenthau returned to the United States in
1916 and for the remainder of World War I dedicated himself to raising funds for the
surviving Armenians. He is considered a hero in Armenia and an American man of courage and
"Mr. Speaker, if America is going to live up to the standards we set for ourselves,
and continue to lead the world in affirming human rights everywhere, we need to follow
Morgenthau's example.  We must stand up and
recognize the tragic events that began in 1915 for what they were---the systematic
elimination of a people.  By recognizing these
actions as genocide we can renew our commitment to prevent such atrocities from occurring
"I wish to express my support for swift passage of H. Res. 106 which reaffirms the
Armenian Genocide. It now has a majority of the Members of the House as cosponsors. As the
first genocide of the 20th Century, it is morally
imperative  that we remember this atrocity and
collectively demand reaffirmation of this crime...
July 17, 2007 Tuesday
PALLONE CONTINUES TO BUILD SUPPORT FOR GENOCIDE RESOLUTION BY HONORING SURVIVOR
IN SPEECH ON HOUSE FLOOR
BYLINE: States News Service
The following information was released by the office of New Jersey Rep. Frank
U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ,) co-chairman of the Congressional Caucus on
Armenian Issues, made the following statement yesterday on the floor of the House of
Representatives honoring the late Mrs. Haigoohi Hanessian, a survivor of the
Armenian Genocide. This is the second in a series of speeches the New Jersey
congressman plans to give on the House floor in an effort to continue to build
support for the Armenian Genocide Resolution. Recently, the Resolution gained the
support of a majority of House members.
"Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to discuss the irrefutable
fact of the Armenian Genocide . Looking at
the history of this catastrophic event from 1915 to 1918 and the impact it had on
the Armenian people, it is impossible to deny that this was indeed genocide on all
accounts. One way to bear witness to the truth is to make reference to personal
accounts when the genocide occurred at the hands of the Ottoman Empire. 
"Thousands of Armenians have their own account of the horrific events their own
families had to endure. Tonight, I would like to tell the story of Mrs. Haigoohi
Hanessian from Syracuse, New York.
"Mrs. Hanessian was born in 1906 in Taurus, Turkey. In 1909, her family fled
from their home after receiving word that the Turks were leading a massacre on all
Armenians in the area. They took refuge in
an American institution and finally returned to their home only to find it burned to
the ground. After traveling and staying with family in different areas, they
eventually moved back to Taurus.
"But, yet again in 1915, the Armenians were being exiled.  Her family was forced to board a train with an unknown
destination. With thousands of others, they were herded onto these trains, confined
in small boxcars for days with no food and no water. Mrs. Hanessian recalls that if
someone died on the train, they were thrown off the train and were left on the side
of the tracks. 
"When they finally arrived at their destination, they were placed in barracks.  She speaks of the sentiments towards the
Armenians at the time, stating "they wanted all the Armenians to vanish from
the earth. Instead of killing them, they suffered and died." 
"The Armenians were then marched through the desert towards Syria in extreme
heat, again with no food and no water. On the way, many died and were left to rot.
After they reached a small village in Syria, they stayed until they were told to
move again. She remembers that "an order came from the General Headquarters
that all the Armenians either be killed or deny their religion, and become
Muslims." Many people converted to save their lives, while others died to
preserve their faith. 
"The Armenians were forced to relocate from village to village. They were left
with no money and no supplies and had to find ways to survive. She said "you
couldn't get in touch with anybody ...  you
didn't know what to do. We were hungry. It was terrible. We were all dying. We were
just skeletons. No food, no nothing." 
"Unlike much of Mrs. Hanessian's family who died or disappeared in the
genocide, she survived and was able to relocate to the United States and rebuild her
life. She has since passed away, but not before she left her story behind. I am
proud to be able to retell her memories -- which must never be forgotten. 
"Mr. Speaker, I wish to express my support for swift passage of H. Res. 106
reaffirming the Armenian Genocide. The resolution now has a majority of the Members
of the House as cosponsors. As the first Genocide of the 20th Century, it is morally
imperative that we remember this atrocity and collectively demand reaffirmation of
this crime against humanity.
"By properly affirming the Armenian genocide, we can also help ensure its
legacy and rightfully honor its victims and survivors, like Mrs. Hanessian."
1. Ambassador Morgenthau never left the environs of
Istanbul during 1915, and he never saw anything "first-hand." Quite the
contrary, all of his information was hearsay, provided by his Armenian interpreters, other
Armenians, and the missionaries.
2. Vahakn Dadrian himself has instructed us, "...in 1916...
the genocide had all but run its course.” Yet we don't need Dadrian to tell us this;
the Ottoman officials first considered an amnesty for the Armenians in 1917, which would
have been impossible if there was a genocide policy in the works. Armenians were already
returning to their homes before being officially permitted to do so at the tail end of
1918. And let us not forget what Avetis Aharonian himself had written to Armenian Prime
Minister Hovhannes Katchaznouni: "[T]he Armenian nation would never forget that it
was the Ottoman Government which first conceived the idea of founding an independent
Armenia, and recognized it." This was late May of 1918, when Armenia had come
into being, well before the war had ended. Would Hitler have worked toward the
establishment of Israel in 1944?
Yet Pallone will shamefully tell us the "genocide" had lasted until 1918. At
least it is not as bad as what his partner-in-crime, Rep. Schiff, will claim, as we will
3. Before a person of integrity claims
something, particularly if the something is a terrible crime, as an "irrefutable
fact," one must possess the factual evidence. Pallone's laughable evidence in
this instance: the unconscionable Henry Morgenthau. When one does not have the evidence,
it is hardly "impossible to deny that this was genocide"; in fact,
it is the duty of the honorable person to do so.
4. If Henry Morgenthau is Pallone's idea of a
"first-hand account," then Pallone is making it especially easy for the rest of
us to nail him as one who regards real facts as meaningless. Aren't U.S. congressional
representatives required to take an oath to uphold justice?
5. If a
diplomat allows his Armenian assistants to write letters in his name (as Morgenthau
directed Hagop Andonian, writing that it also relieved him "of all responsibility for
any errors"), I don't how how much "dignity" such a diplomat would possess.
A U.S. ambassador is also expected to serve in objective fashion. (Morgenthau shared his
"Armenian" information with Lord Bryce and Johannes Lepsius, helping them to
prepare their own deadly works of propaganda. Morgenthau was supposed to be representing a
"neutral" power at the time.) For the record, Morgenthau served until January
1916, which means that he was not really around for the year of 1916.
6. Practically every minority of the Ottoman
Empire was surging in "nationalism," except the Turks. The Turks in charge
believed in and hoped to preserve "Ottomanism," stressing a heterogeneous
outlook, as with the United States of America. Nationalism only took place with the Turks
when the nationalism of the treacherous minorities helped destroy the Ottoman Empire, as
when many Armenians and Greeks openly sided with the enemies of their nation and became
"belligerents de facto." The Turks were
forced to become nationalists in the early 1920s, in order to save their own necks.
(Morgenthau himself wrote in early
1915: "The Turkish people have so little spontaneous patriotism or enthusiasm of
7. Yet Morgenthau himself testified in early 1915 that the
Ottoman government was practically nonexistent. When there is weak central command, it is
difficult for a federal government to implement a plan for "race
extermination." Morgenthau added: "Among the subject races the spirit of
revolt was rapidly spreading. The Greeks and the Armenians would also have welcomed an
opportunity to strengthen the hands of the Allies." That gives evidence against
"genocide"; any nation would have taken steps to counter a rebellious and
treacherous part of their community. The USA and Canada had done so in WWII even when their Japanese were not disloyal.
Britain and Russia had done so in
WWI even when their German men/Germans were not disloyal. Henry Morgenthau also
happened to write (in May 1915)
that "...It would seem as if an Armenian insurrection to help the Russians had
broken out at Van," estimating the number of Armenian insurgents as high as 25,000.
8. In November 1917, Morgenthau provided his
reason for writing his "Story" book: "We must win a victory for the war
policy of the government and every legitimate step or means should be utilised to
accomplish it." In other words, the idea was war propaganda. His "efforts
to make the Turks the worst being on earth," as George Schreiner criticized
Morgenthau regarding his book, served an additional purpose: knocking out the Ottomans
would hasten the path to a
Jewish homeland in Palestine. (Morgenthau accepted his Ottoman post, which he considered
demeaning, largely at the urging of his Zionist friend, Rabbi Wise.) At the time of
writing his "The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau's Story" in 1990,
exposing Morgenthau's lies through Morgenthau's own private letters and diaries, Prof.
Lowry asked: "What can be said of scholars working on the Armenian 'genocide,'
who, in publication after publication, over the past decades quote the outright lies and
half truths which permeate Morgenthau's 'Story' without ever questioning even the most
blatant of the inconsistencies?" We might excuse such bigoted ignorants back in
1990, but nearly a whole generation has passed. So when Frank Pallone points to this vile
propaganda and its dishonest author today, what can be said about Frank Pallone?
9. Yet Morgenthau himself was surprised in
September 1915 when an Armenian representative informed him that "Armenians at Zor were fairly well
satisfied; that they have already settled down to business and are earning their
livings." If the majority of Armenians were still kicking by the end of the war,
under Ottoman control, how could there have been a death warrant? (The Patriarch himself
estimated 644,900 were hanging around in 1921;
hundreds of thousands had left on their own accord to other lands. The original population
was some 1.5 million.) Of those who died, most died of non-murderous reasons, such as
famine and disease. These are the same causes that took the lives of the majority of the
2.7 million other Ottomans who died, even the soldiers. Morgenthau himself wrote in
his "Story" book that thousands of Turks were dying daily of starvation.
In addition, Morgenthau's contention that the Ottoman authorities "made no
particular attempt to conceal" their plans for extermination is an outright
lie; please consult Lowry's paper
to see the manipulations at work.
10. If Morgenthau accused his nation of
being a partner-in-crime in the extermination of Armenians, what of the case where the USA
never even recognized the extermination efforts of the Armenians against their fellow
Ottomans? The Armenians, sometimes with the help of their Russian and French allies,
murdered many, many more Turks, Muslims and others than the Armenians who were murdered by
renegade criminals and revengists. (Of course, in those days, non-Christians did not
always qualify as part of the human family, particularly Muslims. What do we then make of
those today, such as Frank Pallone, who never waste a breath on the Turkish victims?)
11. What "great personal risk
and sacrifice"? Was there a loose floorboard in the U.S. embassy that Morgenthau
could have tripped on?
12. If Morgenthau were truly an "American
man of courage and character," he would have made no distinction between
Armenians and Turks, regarding each as valuable human beings... in the same manner of his
successor, Admiral Bristol. Morgenthau would have spent as much effort raising funds for
those thousands of Turks dying daily, of the same causes as the Armenians.
13. Unfortunately, the genocide industry and
much of the world societies they have conned are already making certain to "follow
Morgenthau's example," designating one class of humans as more valuable than
another... which completely goes against the concept of "human rights."
14. If the majority of Ottoman-Armenians
survived, and there is not one shred of actual evidence demonstrating the government
intentionally embarked on a plan to wipe out the Armenians, then an ethical person would
never dare classify such business as "systematic elimination."
15. Most of us recognize that phony
"noble purpose" of the genocide industry; if a murderer sets upon committing
murder, no law will prevent him from doing so. Certainly, the passage of this Armenian
resolution by the U.S. Congress will have no effect whatsoever on future genocides from
being committed, or the resolve of the USA to prevent the crime. (Nobody cares today about
what is happening in Africa, for example.) The entire reason behind the Armenian
resolution is political, and there is nothing like an immoral politician to help make it
16. The "first genocide of the 20th
Century" was most likely U.S. actions in the Philippines (civilian death toll:
an estimated 200,000 to possibly as high as 1 million), followed by the Germans vs. the
Hereros, the Serbs vs. the Albanians, and the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs and Montenegrins
vs. the Ottoman Turks in the first Balkan war (1,445,179 Ottoman Muslims were affected in
1912-20, paralleling the pre-war Ottoman-Armenian population. That number amounted to a
loss of 62%, as related in Dr. Justin McCarthy's "Death and Exile." Of
these, 632,408 died, also paralleling the Armenians, in their mortality), all pre-dating
17. Frank Pallone, knee-deep in such
malicious falsehoods, is now instructing us on what it means to be "moral."
18. Not only is this "fact" not
irrefutable, it is extremely easy to refute, by pointing to unconflicted sources, and by
virtue of the fact that there is no real evidence to prove a genocide. In his next
sentence, Pallone will claim that the "genocide" is "impossible to
deny," but that is a favorite tactic of such unscrupulous propagandists. By almost
hysterically reminding us that a non-fact is a fact in every other sentence, maybe the
dimwits in the audience will buy the story.
19. "Under conditions of great
stress people are poorer perceivers, because stress causes a narrowing of attention."
For a discussion as to why "oral history can never substitute for real
history, please tune in to the
"Armenian Oral History Proves: TREACHERY & REBELLION" page.
20. Born in 1906, that would make our
"oral historian" nine-years-old in 1915. We don't know when Mrs. Hanessian "left
her story behind," as Pallone will later put it, but it would be the very rare
adult genius who can single out events with necessary clarity from their ninth year of
life. (Particularly if these memories are recorded in old age, as has been the case with
most Armenian "oral historians,"
generally at the behest and guidance of propaganda-pushers.) In addition, the 1909
incidents must be Adana. Is that what actually
happened, that "the Turks were leading a massacre on all Armenians in the
area"? (Pallone doesn't miss a beat, does he?) Or did the armed-to-the-teeth
Armenians of this time fire the first shot, as usual?
21. Yet again? When were Armenians
"deported" in previous Ottoman history? (Not that the Armenians were
"exiled" in 1915, either; they were not sent out of the country,
as the innocent Muslims who were forcefully removed from Russia, needing to walk through
the dangerous wartime frontlines in 1915. The Armenians were temporarily sent elsewhere in
their own country, until the wartime danger had passed. They would have never been
sent away had the Armenian community remained loyal, as a whole, to their own country.
Even Armenia's first prime minister admitted as such, calling it a "terrible fact."
22. Were the Armenians "forced" on
the trains? It's my understanding that only the ones who could afford tickets could ride
the train; that implies the others needed to walk, as their cousins in the east, where
there were no railroads. (This was the bankrupt "Sick Man" lacking mass transit,
where everyone marched in order to get from Point A to Point B, including the soldiers.) The ones from the
west were the lucky ones, allowed to ride the one-track railroad which was already in
great demand for war purposes. The conditions were no doubt very bad, but were they bad
out of "intent," as strongly implied, or because of the wretchedness of the
times affecting all? To get a better idea, the reader is advised to tune in to the diary of Hrant Sarian, written Anne Frank
style, as the events transpired, without later embellishment. Sarian's family also took
the train, but there is no sign of deliberate persecution.
23. "Barracks," as in a kind of
prison? Highly doubtful. (Were large vacant barracks available for occupancy a common
Ottoman building structure?) The idea was to transport the Armenians to villages, without
barbed wire or German Shepherds, as long as the Armenians did not exceed 10% of the
population. (Limiting their potential to rebel.) Transit camps in between meant tents, if
available. It was horrible any way one looks at it, but still a far cry from being locked
up. See the Sarian diary to get a better idea of what took place in transit.
24. Probably some Turks had ill feelings
toward what were seen as a treacherous people, along the same lines as how Americans
regarded Muslim Americans after 9/11, but no nine-year-old was going to be aware of
whether such was a general sentiment. Even in those dark times, hatred would have been a
very rare feeling among the characteristically forgiving Turks. The usual reaction among
the Turkish "rank and file," as Leon Surmelian (who was also nine-years-old in
1915) put it, was more likely as such: "Why
should such things happen? Isn’t there room enough for all of us to live in peace? You
have done us no harm, and we wish you no harm. Allah be with you.” As for Mrs.
Hanessian's theory that suffering and death was a substitute for murder, sorry; if
everyone in the Ottoman Empire was dying from famine and disease, even the soldiers, that does not make Armenians dying
from these causes "genocide" victims. We are already getting an excellent idea
of how much more our "oral historian" was interested in Hai Tahd (the
Armenian Cause) instead of the truth.
25. This passage confirms what a
propaganda-meister Mrs. Hanessian was. First, most who traveled by train safely reached their destinations. If
food/water was not provided, we know that was contrary to orders from central command, as
with one from June 9, 1915 testifying that 500,000 kurush was sent from the refugees fund
for food and lodging expenses. (Archival source: BOA, DH. SFR, nr. 53/305; naturally,
local officials did not always do their jobs dutifully, particularly if they were
corrupt.) But mainly, there is no way a little girl could have been privy to an order from
"General Headquarters" to kill all Armenians, even if such an order actually
existed. (Such an order would have been in total opposition to the authentic orders we
know to be in existence, safeguarding Armenian lives and property.) In addition, the
forced conversion to Islam claim is total propaganda. The reality is that Armenians were
converting to Islam on their own accord, in order to be exempted from the resettlement
policy, but the government recognized this trick and put a stop to it; they decreed no
regard should be paid to such conversions. (Ciphered telegram from the Ministry of the
Interior, July 1, 1915; BOA, DH. SFR, nr. 54/254; the reader should be reminded these were
internal orders never meant to be publicized, and therefore cannot be construed as
26. Indeed, the Armenians were forced to
find ways to survive, like every other Ottoman. At least she admitted her family was sent
to villages, which allowed the Armenians the freedom to live their lives, quite a
different matter than to be holed up in a concentration camp or a prison, as the British
treated their German men. The diary of Hrant Sarian contradicts the "you couldn't
get in touch with anybody" claim; whatever passed for a postal service in Ottoman
towns was open to everybody.
27. Indeed, it was terrible. The Armenians
suffered horribly. The point is, however, every Ottoman was suffering; there was no
exclusive victimhood. And suffering is not genocide.
28. No doubt we can count on Frank Pallone
to keep these memories alive, but it is contemptible of him to pass these off as actual
history. This Armenian woman was very obviously influenced by "patriotism," and
she felt no compunction in coloring her statements... and in making things up.
Adam Schiff Versus Secretary Condoleezza Rice
The web site of Congressman Adam Schiff
provides a transcript of his encounter with the U.S. Secretary of State.
Schiff could have asked her any question directly affecting the nation he has vowed
to serve, and yet he decided to spend his time in predictable fashion, making no
bones about where his priorities lay.
Adam Schiff: Man in Control
Michael Crowley wrote of
Schiff in his article for The New Republic (referenced below): "Representative
Adam Schiff may be the first person elected to Congress through the politics of the
Armenian genocide. Back in 2000, Schiff was a California state senator challenging
Republican incumbent Jim Rogan. The Burbank-area district is home to 75,000
Armenian-Americans, or about 10 percent of the population, many of them desperate to
see Washington brand the Turks as genocide artists."
The race with Rogan was examined here.
See what's happening? The reason for existence of these politicians pretty much
boils down to sucking up to the Armenians. They don't care about the truth, as long
as their Armenian constituents are pleased. (If they are not pleased, a fellow like
Schiff is aware that come re-election time, his chances would be practically
doomed.) And Adam Schiff has outdone the pathetic Frank Pallone in Schiff's attempts
to appease his Armenian benefactors. It is truly stomach-churning that American
congressmen can be so very blatant with serving a wealthy and influential part of
the people, and not all of the people.
Wednesday, March 21, 2007
Schiff Presses Secretary of
State Rice on Armenian Genocide Recognition
Washington, D.C. – Today, at an Appropriations hearing before the Subcommittee on
State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs, Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA)
pressed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on her opposition to recognizing the
Armenian Genocide carried out by the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923.  In his pointed questioning, Schiff repeatedly
asked the Secretary of State if she believed that the murder of 1.5 million
Armenians  could be characterized as
anything other than a genocide. The Secretary did not directly respond.
“I was disappointed that Secretary of State Rice was unwilling to acknowledge the
plain facts of the Armenian Genocide,” said Schiff. “We cannot maintain the
moral force we need to take action against the genocide going on in Darfur, if the
Administration continues to equivocate about the genocide against the Armenians.” 
The exchange between Rep. Schiff and Secretary Rice follows.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Thank you, Madam Chair.
U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff (D-CA) questioning Secretary of State Condoleezza
Rice... Regarding the State Department's efforts to defeat legislation recognizing
the Armenian Genocide
REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Secretary, welcome. About a week or
so ago, Madam Secretary, you and Secretary Gates sent a letter to some of the chairs
of committees here on the Hill opposing recognition of the Armenian genocide. This
concerned me for a number of reasons, not the least of which that I don't see how we
can have the moral authority that we need to condemn the genocide going in Darfur if
we're unwilling to recognize other genocides that have taken place, if we're
unwilling to recognize the first genocide of the last century, where 1.5 million
people lost their lives.
We're all well aware of how the Turkish lobby and Turkey has, either implicitly or
explicitly, threatened because it doesn't want the genocide recognized and its own
difficulty in coming to grips with that chapter of Ottoman history.  So I'm not going to ask you about that, but I do want to ask
you, is there any -- do you have any doubt, in your mind, that the murder of 1.5
million Armenians between 1915 and 1923 constituted genocide? Is there any doubt
about that, in your mind?
SECRETARY OF STATE CONDOLEEZZA RICE: Congressman, I think that these historical
circumstances require a very detailed and sober look from historians and what we've
encouraged the Turks and the Armenians to do is to have joint historical commissions
that can look at this, to have efforts to examine their past  and, in examining their past, to get over their past.
But I will tell you, Congressman, I don't think that it helps that process of
reconciliation for the United States to enter this debate at that level. I just
don't think it's helpful.
SCHIFF: Madam Secretary, your comments, you think that there should be some kind of
debate or discussion about the genocide suggests that you have a question about
whether genocide occurred. Is that correct? 
RICE: Congressman, I believe that this is something that Turks and Armenians are
best to address through their own processes of coming to terms with their history.
Lots of people have had to come to terms with their history...
SCHIFF: Yes, and, Madam Secretary, we have to come to grips with our own history.
SCHIFF: And we did. 
RICE: I personally am well aware of that.
SCHIFF: But, Madam Secretary, you come out of academia.
SCHIFF: Is there any historic debate outside of Turkey? Is there any reputable
historian you're aware of that takes issue with the fact that the murder of 1.5
million Armenians constituted genocide? 
RICE: Congressman, I come out of academia, but I'm secretary of state now and I
think that the best way to have this proceed is for the United States not to be in
the position of making this judgment, but rather for the Turks and the Armenians to
come to their own terms about this. Lots of people are coming to terms with their
history in Asia, in Europe people have had to come to terms with their own history
SCHIFF: Madam Secretary, we have no reluctance to recognize genocide in Darfur. We
have no reluctance to talk about the Cambodian genocide or the Rwandan genocide or
Why is it only this genocide? Is it because
Turkey is a strong ally? Is that an ethical and moral reason to ignore the murder of
1.5 million people?  Why is it we don't
say, "Let's relegate the Holocaust to historians" or "relegate the
Cambodian genocide or Rwandan genocide ?" [37b]
Why is it only this genocide that we should let the Turks acknowledge or not
acknowledge? And, Madam Secretary, Hrant Dink, who was murdered outside of his
office, is not a testimony to Turkish progress. The fact that Turkey brought a
Nobel-winning author up on charges of insulting Turkishness because he talked about
the murder of the Armenians doesn't show great efforts of reconciliation of Turkey.  Why is it only this genocide we're incapable
RICE: Congressman, we have recognized and the president recognizes every year in a
resolution that he himself issues the historical circumstances and the tragedy that
befell the Armenian people at that time. We do recognize it.  But I don't -- if you'll just allow me. I do not see that this
situation is going to get better in the sense that it allows Turks and Armenians to
move on to deal with their present unless we are able to let them deal with their
past as to the murder that you...
SCHIFF: Madam Secretary, because I'm going to run out of time.  You recognize more than anyone, as a diplomat, the power of
SCHIFF: And I'm sure you supported the recognition of genocide in Darfur, not
calling it tragedy, not calling it atrocity, not calling it anything else, but the
power and significance of calling it genocide .
Why is that less important in the case of the Armenian genocide? 
RICE: Congressman, the power here is in helping these people to move forward. After
the murder that you talked about, Turks went into the streets to embrace Armenians
and to say that this is not the way that Turks behave.
The foreign minister himself has called into question the issue of arresting people
for Turkishness. I do think that there is an evolution that is going on in a Turkey
that is democratizing and democratizing before our very eyes and where Turks will be
able to deal better with their history.
But I do believe that people are better left to try and deal with this themselves if
they're going to be able to move forward.
We have to ask ourselves, "What is the purpose here," and I think the
purpose is to acknowledge, of course, the historic tragedy, but the purpose is also
to allow Turks and Armenians to be able to move forward.
And, yes, Turkey is a good ally and that is important.  But more important is that like many historical tragedies, like
many historical circumstances of this kind, people need to come to terms with it and
they need to move on. We've done that in our own country. People have done it in
Europe. People have done it in Asia and I think...
SCHIFF: Madam Secretary...
RICE: ... the best to have them move forward together.
LOWEY: Thank you, Mr. Schiff.
REP. LOWEY: The secretary has agreed to stay for a few more minutes, so if you'll be
brief, Mr. Schiff and Ms. Lee. Mr. Schiff.
REP. SCHIFF: Thank you, Madame Chair. Just one final comment on the subject we
visited earlier, and then I have a question on a different matter. I think rather
than urging the Congress to ignore the Armenian genocide or urging us in effect to
abide by Turkish Section 301 not to offend or insult Turkishness, I think it's more
productive to be urging Turkey to recognize the genocide and also work on the
relationship between the U.S. and Turkey so that it can survive our clear statement
of the truth. 
Iran hosts conferences of historians on the Holocaust. I don't think we want to get
in the business of encouraging conferences of historians on the undeniable facts of
the Armenian genocide. 
29. Here is where we can refer to Footnote 2 above, where Pallone was lunkheaded enough to extend the
"genocide" to 1918. But Schiff attempts to pledge total allegiance to his
Armenian masters by going all the way to 1923, when the Ottoman government was no
longer in existence. (And in the years immediately prior, were lackeys of the
occupying British.) After 1918, the Turks were completely vanquished, and were hanging on
by the skin of their teeth. What a perfect time to expend manpower and resources that were
unavailable, in order to conduct a "genocide."
30. Indeed, how feasible that 1.5 million
could be killed from an original population of some 1.5 million (according to the consensus of contemporary Western evaluation), and one
million survived, according to hardcore propagandists such as Dadrian and Balakian. In
addition, every one of those supposed 1.5 million, regardless of whatever they died from,
be it combat or typhus, must have been a victim of "murder." Adam Schiff, by the
way, was a product of Harvard Law School, like Samantha Power. How embarrassing that he can lower himself to this
degree, without any respect for law, which calls for that annoying little
requirement known as "evidence."
31. Countless historical examples of "Man's
Inhumanity to Man," the great majority of which is ignored by the corrupt genocide
industry, and this character is telling us we have no right to comment on Darfur before
agreeing on the Armenians' propaganda. What a phony! And there is that noble pretension
again, reminding us what it means to be "moral."
32. The Turks have come to grips with this
historical chapter, knowing full well that there was no extermination plan against the
Armenians, while acknowledging the resettlement policy did not go smoothly, and crimes
were committed against some Armenians. The Turks are also aware that many, many thousands
of Turks and others were slaughtered by the Armenians. It is not up to stooges like Adam
Schiff to lecture on what "coming to grips" entails, when he pursues such
dishonesty and, by ignoring Turkish victims, racism.
33. I'm not aware of when the U.S.
government "encouraged" the Turks and Armenians to get together and iron out
their historical differences, but they didn't need to bother with Turkey. That nation's
leader, Erdogan, called on Armenia for just such an impartial investigation, in early
2005. Since "genocide" is the greatest racket the Armenians have going, Armenia
naturally rejected the offer. Its archives, as well as the archives of the A.R.F. in
Boston, remain closed to outsiders.
34. "What a complete fool!"
is the first reaction that comes to mind, but Mr. Schiff is cleverly calculating these
remarks, as the shrewd propagandist he has allowed himself to become. Yet if we think as
honorable truth-seekers, how could there not be doubt, with such a complex and
controversial historical episode? Too bad Ms. Rice did not respond to this
non-intellectual in the manner he deserved to be addressed.
35. We did? Have Americans come to terms
with the many crimes America has historically committed? For example, if the "first
genocide of the 20th century" was American actions in the Philippines, how many
Americans would be aware? Further, how many would care? What a naive statement to make.
36. There is no historic debate outside of
Turkey, because the world is still overwhelmingly prejudiced against the "Terrible
Turk," and more importantly, the real historians have been intimidated away from the debate, thanks
to the underhanded tactics by Armenians and their supporters. As far as Schiff's question
regarding reputable historians, is he normally this anxious to demonstrate what a dunce he
is? Prof. Guenter Lewy has written, "A
large number of Western students of Ottoman history reject the appropriateness of the
genocide label for the tragic fate of the Armenian community in Ottoman Turkey. This list
includes distinguished scholars such as Roderic Davison, J.C. Hurewitz, Bernard Lewis, and
Andrew Mango." I suppose Schiff must have concluded that just because a
propagandist such as Harut Sassounian has compared
a reputable historian as Andrew Mango to "David Irving, the infamous Holocaust
revisionist," Dr. Mango can safely be removed from the "reputable"
category, but that is not the way the world works among people of conscience and
integrity. (In 1985, before the vicious smear campaigns were begun, the reputable historians could be more readily
37. Here we go again, being lectured to on
what is "ethical" and "moral." Note how Schiff has no concern over the
interests of his own nation, if Turkey is indeed a strong ally. He does not care at all
about the ramifications that may follow, hurting U.S. interests. Yes, sometimes in the
world of politics, hard choices need to be made. The USA has had a long history of going
to bed with despots, in order to preserve U.S. interests. If Ottoman Turkey was really
guilty of a century-old genocide, would harping on that be more important than endangering
U.S. interests in today's dangerous world? Particularly when so many other criminal
historical events go ignored? What false sanctimony. (He will go on to vent about "Why
is it only this genocide that we should let the Turks acknowledge or not
acknowledge?" Is that true? Is the Armenian business the only
"genocide" that the USA has "let" alone? Embarrassing.)
37b. Have you noticed Schiff did not
include Bosnia? The reason is, earlier in 2007, the highest U.N. court in the Hague
declared that Serbia did not commit a genocide. Yet before this ruling, "Bosnia"
would routinely be included in the same breath with "Cambodia" and
"Rwanda" as examples of genocide. What does this mean? To prove a genocide is an
extremely difficult matter, because there are hardly any examples as black and white as
the prototypical one regarding the Nazis and the Jews; it is very easy to use the
"genocide" label for manipulative purposes, but doing so does not necessarily
make it so. What this Schiff-ty character has inadvertently revealed is that of course
there is always room for debate (among honorable truth-seekers at any rate, and not
agenda-ridden stooges), because today's orthodoxy may be tomorrow's dissent. And those
certain of their facts should never be afraid of debate. (Particularly as long as
one's opponent is rational and fairly intelligent, and not a hopeless or fanatical
dogmatist or propagandist.)
38. How does the murder of Hrant Dink,
committed by a deranged and/or brainwashed individual, reflect upon the honor of an entire
nation? Are there no murders committed in the USA? What a horribly unfair low blow. As far
as his outrage over Turkey's "insulting Turkishness" law (and his victim in this
case, not incidentally, mainly won his Nobel Prize because of his willingness to join the
genocide forces. Also not incidentally, he was not convicted), it sounds as though Schiff
disapproves of curtailing freedom of speech. Why, then, has he probably never criticized
nations such as France and Switzerland that forbid genocide denial? His hypocrisy is truly
39. And isn't that absolutely the truth? (It
can actually be pretty hysterical how American presidents feel compelled to recite
Armenian propaganda so obediently and to the letter on April 24, in order to appease their
obsessed Armenian constituency; it goes to show what a powerful minority
Armenian-Americans are.) The whole problem is that just because the "genocide"
word is not used, congressional stooges allow themselves to get bent out of shape, and to
put on display their gross partisanship to Hai Tahd; meanwhile, they are supposed
to be representing all of the people, and ultimately, the truth.
40. Schiff is pretty rude, the way he kept
cutting Rice off throughout this exchange.
41. Could the answer be... let's see now...
oh, yes. That the "Armenian genocide" is not a real genocide?
42. At least Rice managed to come up with
something that offered substance, to Schiff's viciousness. Too bad she likely couldn't
feel free to really let him have it, such as challenging him as to what makes him so sure
this business constitutes a genocide. Such frankness would be tantamount to political
suicide, of course. And as funny as it would be to see Schiff providing examples such as
"Morgenthau" and an "Armenian oral historian" as his pathetic
"evidence," the reality is that these unscrupulous forces have forged so far
ahead, it does not even become feasible for someone to speak the truth in such an official
43. At the very least, Turkey did not borrow
$50 million from the USA in good faith, back in 1919, at 5% interest, and then reneged on
the deal, as Armenia has done. Schiff would rather side with the benefactors that follow
the strategy Sam Weems outlined: "Armenians,
in the last 10 years, have probably spent about 14 million dollars to support all the
political candidates that they did. When those candidates got elected, Armenia got 1.4
billion dollars in the same 10 years as US Foreign Aid. That is, for every one dollar
Armenian Americans "invested", they got $100 back in US Aid to Armenia! 100 to 1
return! This is a better return than Las Vegas casinos! "
44. "...Our clear statement of the
truth." This character truly has no shame, speaking of "the truth."
And yes, that sounds like an amazingly intelligent policy, boiling down U.S.-Turkish
relations to nothing but the "Armenian genocide."
45. Ironically, information on Schiff
reveals that "Schiff also co-founded the Congressional Caucus for Freedom of the
Press in May 2006... (aiming) to advance press freedom around the world by creating a
forum to combat and condemn media censorship." On the other hand, the hypocrite
is a proponent of encouraging academic censorship by frowning upon "conferences of
historians." What may be said of such a man?
and Pallone Team Up
Armenian National Committee of America
ANCA VIDEO SETS RECORD STRAIGHT ON BOB LIVINGSTON'S GENOCIDE DENIAL
Offers Point-by-Point Challenge to Turkish Lobbyist's Diatribe against the Armenian
WASHINGTON, DC - The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) distributed an
on-line video, today, countering an eight minute anti-genocide diatribe, released by
Turkey's multi-million dollar lobbyist Bob Livingston, in a patently desperate
effort to block Congressional adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution
(H.Res.106 / S.Res.106)
Livingston's denial piece was posted on the Capitol Hill Broadcasting Network
website, with links forwarded to Members of Congress and their staffs urging them to
watch the video and work against Armenian Genocide legislation. Less than twelve
hours after Bob Livingston's genocide denial video was posted, the ANCA issued a
point by point video rebuttal, which was distributed widely to Congressional offices
and policy makers throughout Washington, DC. 
The ANCA video is featured above.
Also in response to the Livingston attack  , Armenian Genocide Resolution lead
advocates, Representatives Adam Schiff (D-CA), George Radanovich (R-CA), Frank
Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) cosigned a July 18th letter to
Congressional colleagues discrediting Livingston's denialist claims. The
Congressional letter noted that:
"For the past seven years Mr. Livingston has been a paid lobbyist for Turkey,
which has spent millions of dollars denying what the world knows to be true – that
in the first decades of the last century a horrible genocide was committed against
the Armenian people. The factual evidence supporting the Armenian Genocide is vast,
and no effort to deny these facts – no matter the source of the denial – will
ever change history."
The letter went on to urge House members to join over 220 of their colleagues in
cosponsoring H.Res.106. Similar appeals have been made in two recent floor speeches
by Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chair Frank Pallone (D-NJ). The ANCA will be
hosting its second national Congressional Call-In Day on July 23rd to secure
increased House support for the swift passage of the Armenian Genocide resolution.
Earlier this week, The New Republic, a major national magazine, ran a
feature-length, stinging exposé on the efforts of Turkish government lobbyists to
defeat the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The article, written by Michael Crowley,
provides a behind the scenes glimpse into the multi-million dollar genocide denial
industry, spotlighting former House Minority leader Dick Gephardt and Bob Livingston
as the lead beneficiaries of Turkey's anti-genocide campaign.
"It's one thing to flip-flop on, say, tax cuts or asbestos reform. But, when it
comes to genocide, you would hope for high principle to carry the day,"
explains Crowley.  "In Washington,
however, the Armenian genocide industry is in full bloom. And Dick Gephardt's
shilling isn't even the half of it."
Crowley describes a shadowy world of foreign agents, ready to purvey the Turkish
government's lies for hefty fees, often on the condition of anonymity.
"A few weeks ago, I called the Turkish Embassy to request an interview. A
couple of days later, I heard back - not from the embassy, but from an American p.r.
consultant employed by the Turks,” explains Crowley. “He suggested we meet the
next day at a Starbucks. I found him in a corner behind a glowing white iBook. He
had long slicked- back hair, a seersucker suit, and a blinking Bluetooth earpiece,
and looked ready for a power lunch with the sharky agent Ari Gold from ‘Entourage.’ He informed me our conversation would be off
the record, before launching his well-honed argument against the genocide
Crowley's description of Livingston is no more flattering. "But the kingpin of
Turkish advocacy is Bob Livingston, whose lobbying firm, the Livingston Group, has
hauled in roughly $13 million in Turkish lucre since 2000. Livingston, best
remembered for his comically brief stint as House Speaker-elect at the height of the
Clinton impeachment debacle (before he tearfully admitted his own extramarital
affair and resigned from Congress in disgrace), has lobbied on a range of issues
dear to Turkey's heart. But it's his tireless fight against the genocide resolution
that makes him a hero in Ankara."
The complete text of Crowley's article may be read in the July 23rd issue of The New
Republic or online at...
The text of the Schiff-Radanovich-Pallone-Knollenberg "Dear Colleague"
letter is provided below.
Text of Schiff-Radanovich-Pallone-Knollenberg “Dear Colleague” letter
The Armenian Genocide: Facts vs. Fees July 18, 2007
Yesterday, you may have received an e-mail from our former colleague, Bob
Livingston, regarding the Armenian Genocide. In the email and the embedded video
attached to it, Livingston seeks to cast doubt on the facts of the first genocide of
the Twentieth Century.
Adam Schiff in early February, 2007, teaming
up with Frank Pallone
(at right), calling for recognition of their genocide resolution, and to
“accurately characterize the systematic and deliberate annihilation of
1,500,000 Armenians as genocide.” Middle: Rep. George Radonovich.
Livingston claims that there is a question among historians as to
whether the genocide was, in fact, genocide. The truth is that there is near
unanimity among historians and genocide experts that the murder of 1.5 million
Armenians from 1915-23 was genocide.
Livingston claims that the mass murders that took place were “localized” and
took place in the confusion of World War I and that they were not directed by the
central government of the Ottoman Empire. 
The truth is that the Armenian Genocide was orchestrated at the highest levels of
the Young Turk government and that several of the central perpetrators were tried by
the Turkish Government after World War I. 
As documented in thousands of pages in our National Archives, American diplomats and
American journalists were well aware of what was happening while it was ongoing.  America’s Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire,
Henry Morgenthau, reported on the massacres in great detail. Morgenthau was appalled
at what he would later call the sadistic orgies of rape, torture and murder. “When
the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely
giving the death warrant to a whole race; they understood this well, and . . . made
no particular attempt to conceal the fact.” 
For the past seven years Mr. Livingston has been a paid lobbyist for Turkey, which
has spent millions of dollars denying what the world knows to be true – that in
the first decades of the last century a horrible genocide was committed against the
Armenian people. The factual evidence supporting the Armenian Genocide is vast , and no effort to deny these facts – no
matter the source of the denial – will ever change history. Attached to this email
is an article from the current issue of The New Republic detailing the lengths to
which Turkey will go to deny the undeniable. Also attached is an article from The
New York Review of Books on the history of the genocide by noted Israeli historian
Michael Oren. In his article, Oren notes:
"In contrast to Germany, which has publicly and often obsessively accepted
culpability for the Holocaust, paid restitution to its victims, and released
documents attesting to its guilt, the Republic of Turkey has never admitted its part
in the mass murder of Armenians, much less compensated the survivors. Rather than
encourage research on its past butchery, the Turkish government has promoted
publications that exonerate it from any wrongdoing and portray the Armenians as
traitors to the state who allied themselves with Russia and executed thousands of
We urge you to read the articles as you consider Livingston’s claims.
H. Res. 106 has been cosponsored by more than 220 of our colleagues and we are
continuing to add additional cosponsors. We urge you to stand up for the truth and
honor the memory of the dead by adding your name to the list of cosponsors. For more
information, or to cosponsor, please contact Tim Bergreen in Mr. Schiff’s office
or Chris Herndon in Mr. Radanovich’s office.
Adam Schiff Member of Congress
George Radanovich Member of Congress
Frank Pallone Member of Congress
Joe Knollenberg Member of Congress
46. "Less than twelve hours after
Bob Livingston's genocide denial video was posted..." How can the poor Turks
compete with such determined efficiency?
47. The charge of genocide when there is no
proof is the real attack. The response would be called a "defense."
48. Crowley charges in his article that at
one point Gephardt was a genocide supporter. No surprise there; in American politics, it's
almost a necessity for a politician to express support for the "genocide," given
the power and wealth of the Armenian-Americans. Yet when Gephardt joined the Turkish team
(while getting handsomely compensated through his lobbying firm), he became a
"flip-flopper." Being a flip-flopper naturally connotes a lack of character,
changing one's mind when there is something to be gained. (As Crowley put it: "It's
one thing to flip-flop on, say, tax cuts or asbestos reform. But, when it comes to
genocide, you would hope for high principle to carry the day.") Yet could not one
change one's mind if better facts come along? Isn't it the duty of the honorable person to
revise one's views, if one finds the old information to be wrong? I'm not saying this is
what happened with Dick Gephardt, but it's entirely possible. It happened with Prof.
Bernard Lewis, once he read (as Dadrian claimed) Kamuran Gurun/s "The Armenian
File." In short, if a genocide turns out to be a fake, then one of "high
principle" would surely not keep insisting on the genocide's validity, simply because
many fuzzy-headed proponents lazily regard genocides as sacred and set in stone.
49. It's hard not to be sympathetic to those
requiring anonymity, given the ruthlessness and the utter lack of scruples of genocide
proponents. Crowley's article is a good example; he seems intent at times on debasing the
character of those whose views are different, instead of focusing on the issues.
50. In contrast, Crowley described Adam
Schiff in a positive manner, as "the tanned and mild-mannered Harvard Law
graduate." It's like when the missionary Clarence Ussher wrote, “Armenians had been self-sacrificing, generous, helpful,
and cheerful….Turks were callous, indifferent to each other’s sufferings, utterly
selfish….They were filthy beyond description.” (Or when Morgenthau wrote in his
"Story" book that "The Armenians are known for their industry, their
intelligence, and their decent and orderly lives. They are so superior to the Turks
intellectually and morally," while the "inarticulate, ignorant"
and "brutal" Turks "hardly resemble any people I have ever known.
They do not hate, they do not love; they have no lasting animosities or affections. They
only fear." Crowley made sure to describe the lobbyists for the Turks as people
beneath contempt. Another example soon follows, beginning with, "Crowley's
description of Livingston is no more flattering," as the ANCA correctly makes
certain to point out.
51. I would doubt that Livingston
would be considered as a "hero" in Ankara; this is an unfounded speculation,
revealing the author's bias. Why should Livingston be a hero, if he is being so
excessively compensated for his services? A hero is supposed to act selflessly.
52. "Genocide experts" are
predominantly scholarly frauds, for beginning their theses with the conclusion first; a
true scholar (as a true journalist) first collects all information before reaching a
dispassionate conclusion, and has no agenda to follow. Most do not have a background in
history, and the few who do have forgotten the rules of honest history. The real historians have been intimidated
away from this dangerous subject matter. But that won't stop these dishonest parties from
making such misleading claims. Look at the shameless way in which they label their
thoroughly propagandistic figure of 1.5 million, and the non-fact of a genocide being
conducted up to 1923, as "the truth." (One would not be surprised if the ANCA
penned this stupidity, and these political mediocrities simply added their signatures.)
53. These conclusions are strongly supported
by the credible, unconflicted evidence.
54. If the only proof of the genocidal myth
being "orchestrated at the highest levels of the Young Turk government" are
the 1919-20 trials, then these
propagandists have entirely lost their argument. Even the British found these trials to be
a travesty of justice (the defendants were actually not allowed their own lawyers),
conducted as a means for revenge by the successive Ottoman government, who were under the
British gun, and these lackeys were also hoping for lenient treatment at the Peace
Conference. The trials are akin to the scenario of a Nazi victory in WWII, and the
successive puppet U.S. government's being ordered to find villains — or else. If
American principals such as Truman, Eisenhower and Patton were to be tried in such
kangaroo courts, who would find them legitimate? (The 1919-20 trials were so absurd, even
a protector of the Armenians, Jemal Pasha, was
condemned to death.)
55. The U.S. newspaper that perhaps puked
the worst anti-Turkish reports, the New York Times, admitted in an Oct. 10,
1915 article: "What has happened... is still an unwritten chapter. No newspapermen
are allowed to visit the affected districts and reports from these are altogether
unreliable." (Of course there were journalists who had access; few wanted to
take the trip into the foreboding interior. One who did, George Schreiner, concluded: no genocide.) This means
newspaper accounts on the Armenian matter were comprised of hearsay and propaganda,
and are nearly worthless. As for the consular reports (these would be the same
already-bigoted consuls who received their information exclusively from their Armenian
interpreters and the missionaries), the British examined the best of them in 1921,
desperately hoping to come up with genocidal evidence in preparation for the Malta Tribunal; on July 21, their report
concluded that "...there was nothing therein which could be used as evidence...
the accounts given were confined to the personal opinions of the writers; no
concrete facts being given which could constitute satisfactory incriminating
evidence." In other words, hearsay. So useless, the embarrassed State
Department required that anything from the U.S. archives could only be used as long as "the
source of information will not be divulged.” (From an earlier 1921 telegram.)
56. Once again, Henry Morgenthau did not
eyewitness anything. See Footnote 9. In point of fact, Morgenthau's
private letters and diaries reveal that he was very friendly with Enver and Talat Pasha.
Given the Ottoman authorities' knowledge of tremendous U.S. hostility and prejudice
against Turks, they certainly would have never admitted to the American ambassador, of all
people, that the Armenians were marked for extermination (assuming that was the goal).
57. No, it is the hearsay and forgeries that are vast. There is no factual
evidence proving a genocide, whatsoever. "Personal opinions" of bigoted people
who were not at the scene do not constitute "factual evidence."
Prof. Michael Oren
58. It is
particularly shameful when an "Israeli historian" (the American-born Oren
actually has a Ph.D. from Princeton University, in Middle East History) dishonors the
victims of the Holocaust by equating their tragedy with the Armenian fabrication. (In
"The Mass Murder They Still Deny," May 10 issue,
The New York Review of Books.) When Michael Oren disputes the irrefutable facts
that the Armenians traitorously "allied themselves with Russia" (it was England
and France as well), and "executed thousands of Turks," then what can be said?
It's no wonder; the book he reviewed here was Taner Akcam's thoroughly dishonest (here's a
sample) Dadrian-paste-up job, "A
Shameful Act," which Oren dumbly labeled "courageous and timely."
What kind of a historian would reach conclusions on the basis of one blatantly
propagandistic book? It's all here; Oren snaps to dutiful "genocide club"
attention by vouching for the Armenians having "Christian roots in Anatolia,"
when the real evidence suggests they migrated from elsewhere. He vouches for Morgenthau, writing that
Morgenthau "had recent proof of the mass killing of Armenians by the Turks."
What was this proof? "Between 1894 and 1896, Turkish troops rampaged through
Armenian villages, ransacking an estimated one million houses and killing as many [as]
200,000." (Sorry, have to pause; did he actually write "one million"
houses? The 1893 Ottoman census, run by the Jewish Fethi Franco, had the Armenian
population at 1,001,465; we are being told every Armenian's house was ransacked, folks.)
How does Oren know this? An American diplomat wrote, "All the Armenians in sight
were killed." Was the American diplomat actually there? Of course not! Oren also
cites the New York Times. (Headline: "Another
Armenian Holocaust!") What kind of a historian is this? He also gives
credence to the missionaries, biased consuls such as the notorious Jesse Jackson, and the
opinion of the far away, Turk-despising Theodore Roosevelt;
Oren praises as well "Samantha Power, Jay Winter... Peter Balakian [and] Vahakn N.
Dadrian," and actually writes of their fellow propagandist, Taner Akcam, that the
latter "is meticulous and fair in presenting" the story! Oren also
gives credence to the Ottomans' "Turkification" policy ("Entire
communities of Greeks and Armenians were to be 'cleansed'"; and what is the proof
of this?), and Dadrian's invented Gestapo fall guy, the "Special Organization" ("anticipating
the Nazi Einsatzgruppen"; and what is the proof of this? Akcam's proof
here is Dadrian again, but as Dr. Lewy investigated,
Dadrian equally again turns out to be a fraud). Oren presents as the reason for 1909 Adana that the Muslims were "inflamed
by rumors of a coup in Istanbul against the new government" (why would that serve
as a reason to slaughter Armenians?) and that 200,000 Armenians were kicked out of
Izmir before WWI began * ! It is simply horrifying that a fellow like this has no use
for real facts whatsoever, happily joining the ranks of the propagandists by citing total
propaganda. This thoroughly prejudiced agenda-ridden amateur also exposes his bigotry by
not even being able to countenance the fact that Armenians murdered "thousands of
Turks"; the real toll was hundreds of
thousands, and there were Jewish victims as well. It's pitiful.
* Here, our "historian" may have been referring to Ottoman
reprisals against a few Western Anatolian coastal communities, and fewer token ones
inland, mainly carried out by chettes, where Greek communities were driven from their
homes in the spring of 1914, in which case he would have been substituting
"Armenians" for "Greeks." What he does not mention, if this was
the case, is that these rotten events occurred in the aftermath of Greek "Death and
Exile" policies from the First Balkan War (1912), where Greek provocation was still
continuing. "In 1914 and 1915, 53,718 fresh Turkish refugees from the Ottoman
territories just annexed by Greece passed through the hands of the Ministry of
Refugees"; Arnold Toynbee, The Western Question in Greece and Turkey,
1922. As usual, Turkish reaction to murderous Orthodox action. Naturally,
our "historian" strictly utilized propaganda with his ridiculously inflated
200,000 figure, and got his facts wrong with the Izmir ("Smyrna") claim. Toynbee
continued: "In 1914 the process was happily checked before it had been applied to
larger Greek centres like Vurla, Aivali, or Smyrna itself."
Few Thoughts on Crowley's "New Republic" Article
What a shame that someone as smart as Michael Crowley walks into this subject with
his prejudices and can't remove himself from them. Aside from attempts at fairness
(he made sure to get quotations, for example, from Turks such as Gunay Evinch and
Murat Lutem), he already made the determination that the Ottoman Turks must have
been guilty, and put the thrust of his article to show the evilness of the Turks.
Thus, he stressed the millions of dollars the government of Turkey has been spending
on these lobbyists, with the implication that the Turks were solely interested in
covering up their crime.
It does not even occur to him that it is the Turks who are being attacked. And when
the Turks try to defend themselves by forking over these exorbitant fees, every time
one of these dopey genocide resolutions roll around, Crowley judges the Turks to be
Moreover, he writes not a word on the millions of dollars the Armenians are
spending. For example, it has been reported
that the ANCA received eight million dollars from the Republic of Armenia (in
2001). That's a pretty hefty chunk of change from a nation so impoverished, its
citizens are deserting in droves, some even going to Turkey in the hope of bettering their lives.
What do you suppose the ANCA does with all of that moolah? For one thing, we know
they don't need to hire obscenely expensive lobbying groups, as Turkey is forced to
do... because the ANCA is the lobbying group. Instead of hiring
ex-politicians who use their old contacts to try and influence currently elected
representatives in the Congress, the ANCA and other Armenian lobbying groups
craftily go directly to the source: the currently elected representatives in the
Congress, themselves. Think about it: why would over two hundred congressional
representatives have clamored to be a part of the "Congressional Caucus on
Armenian Issues," favoring a close ally of Russia, a rinky-dink nation with
no strategic value to the USA, and a nation that works to get as much money as
possible from the USA? (Per capita, Armenia is the second greatest recipient of U.S.
foreign aid, after Israel.) As Sam Weems put it (mentioned earlier, in Footnote 43), "...for every one dollar Armenian Americans 'invested'
(in their support of U.S. political candidates), they got $100 back in
U.S. Aid to Armenia! 100 to 1 return! This is a better return than Las Vegas
Crowley also does not utter a peep on the Armenians' professional propaganda
campaign. The Turks are clueless amateurs, in comparison. Has he consulted, for
example, this report
written by a researcher largely uncritical of the Armenians, examining their
|I know a few Turkish
Americans who are true champions for Turkey. Sad truth is that they are too few and
they have little funding to compete against a well-oiled and funded Armenian lobby
organization. The Armenians have perhaps 40-50 full time professionals in Washington
DC doing nothing but working each and every day to undercut Turkey and Azerbaijan and
promote themselves for more foreign aid taxpayer funding. Turkish Americans have -0-
staff and office working for them in Washington
DC. The Turks really should do more to protect themselves. All they have to do is tell
Sam Weems, interview. (The
Turkish Daily News , Feb, 13, 2002)
As you read above, Crowley's statement, "It's one thing to flip-flop on, say, tax
cuts or asbestos reform. But, when it comes to genocide, you would hope for high principle
to carry the day," pretty much provides the idea that he can't bring himself to
question whether any funny business has been involved with the genocide claim. He is
neglecting his duty as a journalist to question. And this is particularly inexcusable,
especially in this age of the Internet, when the countering information is readily
But Crowley appears to be so prejudiced to begin with, he can't even bring himself to look
at the matter objectively. (Nothing new here; he represents only the tip of the iceberg.
But each time one runs into candidates who promise to be intelligent and competent, it's
all the more heartbreaking to discover how closed-minded they turn out to be.)
Focusing on two of his passages:
"...In America's tight-knit Armenian community, it can seem that people want to
debate little else. Most Armenian-Americans are descended from survivors of the slaughter
and grew up listening to stories about how the Turks, suspecting the Orthodox Christian
Armenians of collaborating with their fellow Orthodox Christian Russians during World War
I, led their grandparents on death marches, massacred entire villages, and, in one
signature tactic, nailed horseshoes to their victims' feet. (The "horseshoe master of
Bashkale," the Ottoman provincial governor Jevdet Bey was called.)"
Let's preface the following criticism with the caveat that the points raised above are
presented as the opinions of Armenian-Americans, and thus Crowley appears to be off the
hook. On the other hand, he presents nothing to cast doubt. The unwary reader is thus left
with the impression that the points above must be true. One gets the strong impression
that Crowley must be in agreement with the points he has raised, since he does not bother
to counter any of them. (He already made it pretty clear that he is an "Armenian
genocide" believer, after all.)
Now, note: Crowley evidently has no idea that many Turks are also descended from survivors
of slaughter at the hands of Armenians.
But he appears so entrenched in his beliefs, he hasn't examined this lesser-told part of
the equation. If you bring up the fact, he may perhaps throw a fit. It is simply not in
line with his comfort zone, where the Turks must be the villains, and the Armenians the
Now pay heed to the fact that he writes the Ottoman Turks were merely
"suspecting" that the Armenians were collaborating with the Russians. Of course;
Armenian propaganda has told him that the Armenians were only engaging in self-defense.
Who cares about conducting objective and professional research, to see if there is any
merit to the claim?
The evidence for the Armenians' treachery is voluminous. Crowley could have looked at only
two examples, if he had only mustered his professional curiosity. An Armenian historian exposed, for example, that the Armenians were
given more than thirteen million dollars (in today's money) by the Russians "at
the beginning of the war for the initial cost of arming and preparing the Turkish
Armenians and to start riots within the country during the war." Now that is
powerful evidence, and simply can't be argued with. If that's not enough, he could have
gone to what a primary Armenian leader had to say; Boghos Nubar wrote in early 1919 that "ever since the beginning of the war
the Armenians fought by the side of the Allies on all fronts," and that they "indignantly
refused to side with Turkey." There is so much more, in the way of evidence,
demonstrating the treachery of the Armenians. This was no joke; the Ottomans were
threatened with extinction, and the Armenians were an extremely serious threat.
The fact that Michael Crowley allowed himself to sink to the level of repeating the
horseshoes-nailed-to-Armenians'-feet story is truly unbelievable. He appears to have no
idea that any sensationalistic claim was accepted at face value by the extremely
prejudiced Western press, and the fact that he would repeat this ugly propagandistic
hearsay without question is simply inexcusable.
Perhaps he got that out of Balakian's "The
Burning Tigris." The source: Vahakn Dadrian. The man with very little scholarly ethics, and
who has felt free to distort, mistranslate, and take things out of context at leisure, in
the support of his patriotic agenda. Just because some Armenian made this story up does
not make it true.
But in this day and age, in 2007, someone as sharp as Michael Crowley does not bat an
eyelash in repeating such a vicious lie. It's amazing! This is what prejudice does. And of
course, Crowley is helping to foster greater prejudice by hammering home the belief for
his readers that, yes, the Turks truly are a less-than-human species. It is totally
And it's not as though Crowley has made no attempt to hear the "Turkish
"The truth, as the Turks see it, is simple: There was no genocide. The Armenian
death toll is exaggerated, and most died from exposure or rogue marauders during mass
relocations. (One Turkish activist even cheerily assured me that, after the relocations,
'everyone was invited back.') The Turks say that the G-word implies an intent that can't
be proved. This stance is more than just a matter of fierce national pride. The Turks are
terrified at the prospect of huge financial and territorial reparations for the
Armenians.('[C]ash,' drools one Armenian nationalist blogger, 'lots of cash.')"
The above, then, is only the truth as "the Turks see it." So what does it tell
us, when a journalist whose duty is to report the truth, actually conducts some
investigation to get what the other side has to say, and rejects them out of hand? Because
his belief system is evidently too rigid to even consider whether the other side is
telling the truth?
Earlier in his article, Crowley apparently felt good about the claim, "the
massacre of up to 1.5 million ethnic Armenians in the Ottoman Empire." Is this
Armenian death toll exaggerated? Well, it doesn't take very much to find out, does it? Particularly when the evidence disproving the claim
almost all emanate from Turk-unfriendly sources, with no reason to lie for the Turks.
Were most Armenians killed from non-murderous reasons, such as famine and disease? The
truth-seeker had better believe it, since most Ottomans were dying of these same causes,
in the graveyard of the "Sick Man." With the large conscription, few were left
to till the fields, as even Morgenthau reported.
There were devastating plagues as well, and British naval blockade efforts to starve out
the Ottomans. Hygiene was always a problem, and contagious diseases spread like wildfire.
More Ottoman soldiers, the nation's only hope for survival, died of these causes
than from combat.
This is not rocket science, here; all that is required is some objectivity, and the
willingness to look beneath the surface.
After the relocations, were the Armenians "invited back"? One can only be
invited back if one had already left for non-Ottoman lands, as was the case for hundreds of thousands of Ottoman
Armenians. The rest were already in their own Ottoman nation, resettled in other parts
(much of which were taken away by the victorious Allies, by war's end). Many were going
back to their homes, even before the tail-end-of-1918 decree allowing the Armenians to
officially do so. (Even Dadrian has conceded
that the relocation law was a temporary measure.) As for those who had fled the
country, it doesn't take much research to find out if the doors were closed or not to
Armenians who desired to return. The answer is that Article 6 of the Treaty of Gumru/Alexandropol (December
1921) permitted all Armenians the right to return, within a period of one year. This was
superseded by the later Lausanne Treaty, where every Armenian who had once been an Ottoman
citizen had until July 24, 1925 to come back to Turkey. (If Armenians did not
choose to return, should Turkey be blamed? As to why many decided to stay away, Marmaduke
Pickthall provided the overriding reason: “How are [the Armenians] going to live
among the peoples they have wronged and angered by their wreckless ‘gamble’?” [The New Age, April 29, 1920, Vol. XXVI. No. 25.])
Now note the dismissive tone with the sentence, "The Turks say that the G-word
implies an intent that can't be proved."
What does that mean? In order to prove a genocide, you've got to prove "intent."
That's the law, according to the 1948 U.N.
Genocide Convention. (The convention also disallows political groups, as when the
Armenians allied themselves with their nation's enemies.) If you can't prove intent, there
is no genocide. So if the intent can't be proven, what honorable person would want to use
the word "genocide," carrying the racist implication that the Turks were no
better than Nazis? This is critical. Would Mike Crowley appreciate it if someone
were to accuse him of having committed a ruinous crime without the valid evidence? If
Crowley can't come up with the genocidal evidence, then he should be first in line to
write, Hey! You can't call this a genocide! (But to him, he already has the
evidence. He heard about the horseshoes story. What else does he need?)
"The Turks are terrified at the prospect of huge financial and territorial
reparations for the Armenians." I don't think so. Crowley is ignorantly
speculating again. For one, the Turks know they have never committed a genocide, ever,
in their long history. The truth is on the Turks' side, so they have nothing to fear.
Furthermore, Armenia has already surrendered her rights in Article 8 of the
Gumru/Alexandropol Treaty. (See link above.) In Arthur Derounian's words, the Armenians
agreed "'to forego their rights to ask for damages . . . as a result of the
general war,' thus closing the doors FOREVER to reparations for the enormous destruction
of Armenian life and property to make reparations claims." (Naturally, in this
hateful world, no one ever speaks of the reparations required of Armenians, for the cataclysmic death and destruction they
caused while occupying eastern Anatolia. But the Turks surrendered their right in this
treaty's same clause, as well.)
Reps. Adam Schiff and Frank Pallone are real pieces of work, aren't they? If they
are willing to sell out so blatantly for the Armenians, what else can they lose our