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 The 1982 Libaridian-Kevenk Debate has already been featured on TAT, but this report giving some behind-the-scenes was of note.


A Historic First
A Turk and Armenian Debate the Armenian Claims of Genocide

On October, 21, 1982, the closing session of a two-day Seminar on the World War II Holocaust was held at the Johnstown, Pennsylvania Campus of the University of Pittsburgh. This final segment was devoted not to the Nazi extermination of the Jews, but rather to the Armenian claims of genocide in 1915.

The spokesman for the Armenian claims was Mr. Gerard Libaridian, the Director of the Armenian Archives in Boston, Massachusetts. Libaridian, a student of Richard Hovannisian at U.C.L.A., has emerged in the past few years as a frequent spokesman for Armenian causes.

In the normal course of events, this activity would have been nothing more than another round in the ongoing Armenian attempt to link their own history to the fate of European Jewry during World War II. However, Johnstown, Pennsylvania, happens to be the home of Dr. Cengiz Kevenk, a Turkish-American physician, who has devoted much of his spare time in the past fifteen years to compiling a ‘library’ of works dealing with Turkish-Armenian relations. Upon learning of Libaridian’s scheduled appearance, Dr. Kevenk volunteered his services as an “amateur historian” willing to present the Turkish viewpoint.

The stage was thus set for what Libaridian was to term: “the first face to face discussion by a Turk and an Armenian” on the events of 1914-15 in the war-torn Ottoman Empire. As the program began, the sympathies of its organizers quickly became apparent. For rather than a simple presentation of two speakers representing opposing points of view, the program began with a twenty minute Armenian propaganda film narrated by Actor Mike Connors, entitled “The Forgotten Genocide.”

The film was followed by a thirty minute presentation of the Armenian case by Libaridian and then a similar time allotted to Dr. Kevenk. Following these opening statements, the moderator widened the scope to questions from the floor. The audience of well over one hundred listeners responded wholeheartedly, and what followed was two hours of interesting and in many respects enlightening debate.

One member of the audience, who identified himself as an American Jew, directed a question to Libaridian which clearly shocked the audience, many of whom were Jewish Americans. Waving a copy of a book in his hand, the questioner asked Libaridian if he was familiar with Christopher Walker’s ARMEN/A: THE SURVIVAL OF A NATION? When Libaridian replied in the affirmative, the questioner continued, pointing out that this generally pro-Armenian work contained the following information of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: a) Dro, the former President of the Armenian Republic, and the most respected of Armenian Nationalist leaders, established an Armenian Provisional Republic in Berlin during World War II.; b) this ‘provisional government’ fully endorsed and espoused the social theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members of the Aryan ‘Super-Race;” c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side by side with the Wehrmacht.


“How dare you now, after all this,” the questioner asked, “inject yourselves into a Seminar devoted to the Jewish Holocaust?”

Dr. Gerard Libaridian

Dr. Libaridian, closer to 1982

Libaridian replied that this evidence dealing with the little known Nazi-Armenian collaboration had only recently been published by Mr. Walker — whom he regarded as a good scholar — and, apparently, his account was true. When the American Jew then asked why the Armenian Americans were trying to make a place for themselves in the planned Holocaust Memorial and “riding the coattails of the Holocaust Council”, Mr. Libaridian replied that he personally felt it was a mistake for Armenians to join the Council’s activities, but that he had been overruled by those who thought otherwise.

The overall effect of this and similar revelations made in the course of Dr. Kevenk’s presentation on the aduience, most of whom had hitherto only been exposed to the ‘Armenian viewpoint,’ is well summed up by the following conversation overheard as two American members of the audience left the hall. Turning to his companion one gentleman said: “If you had told me before this evening that there were two sides to this issue I would have said you were crazy.” His friend, “I’ve just realized that there are not only two sides, but that the Turkish case is very strong.”

It should be of interest to Turkish-Americans throughout this country that among the members of the audience were a number of Turkish-Americans from the Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C. areas who had taken the time and trouble to insure that Dr. Kevenk did not appear before a totally hostile audience.

If there is a lesson to be learned from this ‘historic first,’ it is that even a highly paid professional propagandist is no match for an amateur spokesman, when the latter has truth on his side.

ATA-USA/January 1983, p. 18




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...Is to expose the mythological “Armenian genocide,” from the years 1915-16. A wartime tragedy involving the losses of so many has been turned into a politicized story of “exclusive victimhood,” and because of the prevailing prejudice against Turks, along with Turkish indifference, those in the world, particularly in the West, have been quick to accept these terribly defamatory claims involving the worst crime against humanity. Few stop to investigate below the surface that those regarded as the innocent victims, the Armenians, while seeking to establish an independent state, have been the ones to commit systematic ethnic cleansing against those who did not fit into their racial/religious ideal: Muslims, Jews, and even fellow Armenians who had converted to Islam. Criminals as Dro, Antranik, Keri, Armen Garo and Soghoman Tehlirian (the assassin of Talat Pasha, one of the three Young Turk leaders, along with Enver and Jemal) contributed toward the deaths (via massacres, atrocities, and forced deportation) of countless innocents, numbering over half a million. What determines genocide is not the number of casualties or the cruelty of the persecutions, but the intent to destroy a group, the members of which  are guilty of nothing beyond being members of that group. The Armenians suffered their fate of resettlement not for their ethnicity, having co-existed and prospered in the Ottoman Empire for centuries, but because they rebelled against their dying Ottoman nation during WWI (World War I); a rebellion that even their leaders of the period, such as Boghos Nubar and Hovhannes Katchaznouni, have admitted. Yet the hypocritical world rarely bothers to look beneath the surface, not only because of anti-Turkish prejudice, but because of Armenian wealth and intimidation tactics. As a result, these libelous lies, sometimes belonging in the category of “genocide studies,” have become part of the school curricula of many regions. Armenian scholars such as Vahakn Dadrian, Peter Balakian, Richard Hovannisian, Dennis Papazian and Levon Marashlian have been known to dishonestly present only one side of their story, as long as their genocide becomes affirmed. They have enlisted the help of "genocide scholars," such as Roger Smith, Robert Melson, Samantha Power, and Israel Charny… and particularly  those of Turkish extraction, such as Taner Akcam and Fatma Muge Gocek, who justify their alliance with those who actively work to harm the interests of their native country, with the claim that such efforts will help make Turkey more" democratic." On the other side of this coin are genuine scholars who consider all the relevant data, as true scholars have a duty to do, such as Justin McCarthy, Bernard Lewis, Heath Lowry, Erich Feigl and Guenter Lewy. The unscrupulous genocide industry, not having the facts on its side, makes a practice of attacking the messenger instead of the message, vilifying these professors as “deniers” and "agents of the Turkish government." The truth means so little to the pro-genocide believers, some even resort to the forgeries of the Naim-Andonian telegrams or sources  based on false evidence, as Franz Werfel’s The Forty Days of Musa Dagh. Naturally, there is no end to the hearsay "evidence" of the prejudiced pro-Christian people from the period, including missionaries and Near East Relief representatives, Arnold Toynbee, Lord Bryce, Lloyd George, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and so many others. When the rare Westerner opted to look at the issues objectively, such as Admirals Mark Bristol and Colby Chester, they were quick to be branded as “Turcophiles” by the propagandists. The sad thing is, even those who don’t consider themselves as bigots are quick to accept the deceptive claims of Armenian propaganda, because deep down people feel the Turks are natural killers and during times when Turks were victims, they do not rate as equal and deserving human beings. This is the main reason why the myth of this genocide has become the common wisdom.