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So who gets the prize as the most Armenian
butt-kissing nation? Of course, it's hard to beat the "Number One"
status of the United States, with over a million Armenian colonists ...
as Richard Hovannisian made reference in his "The Republic of
Armenia"... working more efficiently than a termite colony to undercut
Turkish interests with their millions and millions of dollars (and getting a
10-to-1 return on their investment from U.S. politicians in their pockets,
skimming some 1.5 billion dollars from American taxpayers over the last
decade). Then there's France, making no secret of oo-la-la'ing their formerly
disloyal legionnaires, with half a
million diasporans securely nestled in.
I don't know what the Armenian diasporan (I think I made
up that word) presence is in this other contender I have in mind... but I have
a feeling their numbers aren't that plentiful. I think some people of this
region are batty over the Armenians out of emotional reasons than anything
else.
And, no, I'm not talking about Boston, Massachusetts...
the part of the world I have in mind is Wales.
Granted, some residents of this United Kingdom
principality might feel they have an obligation to uphold the proud
tradition of David Lloyd George, a Welshman who gave William Gladstone a run
for his money as the most Turk-hating prime minister ever in British history.
Perhaps some Welsh folk also feel they should live up to Lawrence of Arabia, a
Welshman who stirred up serious trouble for the Turks, already attacked from
all sides.
Regardless, whenever I encounter the typical
anti-Turkish rhetoric and sense the degree of emotionalism is higher than
usual, I'm not surprised when the speaker turns out to be Welsh.
I first ran into this "phenomenon" when I
discovered two of the worst pharisees I've ever encountered regarding the
Armenian "Genocide," Mike Joseph and Jenny Randerson, the latter identified as "the leading figure on behalf of Armenian
Genocide Recognition in Wales." They likely have a hand in CRAG
(Campaign for Recognition of the Armenian Genocide, described as "a
single-issue pressure group," whose "central aim is to secure
official British Government recognition of the Armenian W.W.I experience as
genocide." (I covered these two in the "Apologist" page during the early days of TAT's
construction... before deciding to devote an entire section to "Genocide
Scholars," and other apologists. When their names come up again below,
I'll be repeating some of my previous assertions.)
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Welsh Assembly Member |
It should come as no surprise that Welsh governmental
representatives would be getting into the act, catering to their hysterical constituents.
And nothing helps a politician better than to side with a "moral" issue... after
all, who can argue with the Armenian "Genocide," where everyone knows the
defenseless, innocent Christian Armenians were at the mercy of the all-powerful, sadistic
Turks.
Well, here's a fellow who really puts his heart into the matter!
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Cynog Dafis |
His name is Cynog Dafis, and he
just repeats the typical propaganda without giving a thought as to the validity of his
sources. Can't he use his intelligence to stop and consider the other side of the story?
It's almost as if he has "artificial" intelligence, when it comes to this
highly-charged topic... perhaps as if he's been "programmed," or something.
Could his unusual first name have been derived from the word "Cyborg"?
The photograph appears to be a posed, official one, and not one
taken candidly and therefore deliberately unflattering. I guess he was trying to go for
the effect of a no-nonsense, "I mean business, so you had bloody watch out"
type. However, I'm getting the impression that he's coming across as befuddled, and
disturbed; in other words, his appearance — in my eyes — does not exude the
image of a cool, collected individual.
I wonder when he was younger, whether he looked kind of like the boy
on the right.... I wouldn't be surprised if some referred to him as "Malcontent in
the Middle."
What is below refers to the discussion on this page.
Let's get on with business, and tackle what really matters... The issues.
Cyborg, "the
Terminator," in Action
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Cynog Dafis often enjoys
backing up his position by referring to British sources, knowing that the nation
where he resides would more easily accept these sources as legitimate. Following in
that pattern, I will also concentrate on British sources.
He begins his case by putting
on the table what he considers convincing evidence.
A year earlier, an exhibition was held there
of the shocking pictures taken by Armin Wegner, which form a key part of the
evidence for the genocide.
If the photographs of Armin Wegner constitute such key evidence, no wonder the
pro-Armenians are worried. That only goes to show the utter lack of genuine evidence
for the so-called genocide, which defines a systematic extermination plan against a
people, like what the Nazis did to the Jews. Wegner's photographs — which cannot
be verified, according to Stutgart's Schiller-Nationalmuseum Deutsches
Literaturarchiv (the German museum where the originals are stored; the director
explained, when asked by a reporter from ATA-USA Magazine: "Unfortunately,
we do not have any indication regarding when or in what country the Wegner
photographs were taken. As a result, the dating, and sites depicted must be
determined by whoever uses the photos''), only show suffering people, along with
a few corpses. The "Sick Man of Europe" was a graveyard, with pro-Armenian
Ambassador Morgenthau stating in his phony, ghostwritten book that thousands of
Turks were dying daily, estimating a quarter of the Empire's Muslim
population was lost to famine.
Between 1894 and 1896, for example, over 100,000 Armenians were killed by special
forces on the sultan's orders.
"Agitation and terror were needed to elevate the
spirit of the people. The (Hunchak) party aimed at terrorizing the Ottoman
Government, thus contributing toward lowering the prestige of that regime and
working toward its complete disintegration." Wrote Prof. Louise Nalbandian
in "Armenian Revolutionary Movement," 1963; "Terrorism has,
from the beginning, been adopted by the Dashnak Committee of the Caucasus, as a
policy.... in their program adopted in 1892 …Method No 11 is: 'To subject the
government institutions to destruction and pillage'," wrote K.S. Papazian
in "Patriotism Perverted," 1934. These and other "Ku Klux
Klan" type Armenian terrorist organizations sprang forth since the 1870s, led
by fanatical leaders whose purpose was to incite Muslim populations in order for
Armenians to be massacred, calling in the imperialist Christian powers to help them
carve out territory... in similar vein of Balkan possessions, swept by nationalism,
that were finding independence throughout the 19th century. Like the 1915 period,
there is absolutely no proof of any extermination policy. The British Consul at
Erzurum (in British author C.F. Dixon's 1916 The Armenians, pg. 61) said "not
one Armenian would have been killed" had Armenian revolutionary committees not
incited the people to revolt." British Captain C. B. Norman asserted in "The
Armenians Unmasked" (1895) that only one-tenth of the Armenian
Patriarch's estimate was true, and that "none of these (massacre) stories
have been corroborated by a single European eye-witness." An objective
estimate of Armenian mortality of the period could not have exceeded 20,000 (which
is a tenth of the typical claim of Armenian losses during this period — Cyborg
earns points by not going overboard, here —, while others prefer to believe
300,000 and over; the more the casualties, the greater the "sympathy"),
while 5,000 Turkish lives were lost, and are never referred to by these hypocrites
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In 1915 there were 2 million Armenians living in Turkey: 10 per cent of the
country's population. During 1915, 1.5 million of them were killed, and the majority
of the rest was taken away. In May 1918, as the Turkish army made an eastward
incursion, a further 100,000 were killed.
Isn't it amazing how Cyborg is so programmed, he mechanically
repeats the typical Armenian propaganda? If this is an indication of how he conducts
his research in matters affecting West Wales, blatantly considering only one side of
an issue, then woe to the voters who brought him into office.
Over a dozen pre-war
"neutral" (Western, and really pro-Armenian) estimates ranged from 1
million (Arnold Toynbee in his 1915 work, "Nationalism and the
War," shortly before he joined his government's propaganda division, and
the 1912 Blue Book) to 1.6 million (Armenian Patriarch Ormanian and the
Turk-hating Lepsius), with the Ottoman census settling at the median, 1.3 million.
Only Armenians offer figures nearing 2 million and over. The Armenians also
admit 1 million survived (Boghos Nubar and Istanbul's Armenian Patriarch in
1921; Peter Balakian [along with his main squeal, Silly Samantha Power] in a Jan.
20, 2004 New York Times letter); Subtract
1 million from 1 to 1.6 million, and there is the real figure of Armenian casualties
from all causes combined, mainly famine, disease and combat… and not simply
massacres. Cynog Dafis's mathematics tells us 1.6 million died, more Armenians than
existed, leaving 400,000 survivors… less than half of what even the Armenians
concede survived.
David Lloyd George's bitterly ironic words, had been 'simplified'…
Lloyd George offered worse bitter words, such as "The
Turks are a human cancer," following in the proud footsteps of William
Gladstone's appalling racism. Lloyd George, who hoped to wipe the Turkish nation off
the face of the post war world via the Sevres Treaty, is not a legitimate witness...
any more than blacks and Jews would champion David Duke to speak objectively with
their interests in mind.
When Kemal Ataturk came to power in 1920, the work, of
destroying every trace of the Armenians' heritage, including architectural
masterpieces, libraries, archives, and entire cities and villages continued just as
systematically-destroying 3,000 years of history.
Coming across these sorts
of claims only produces deep sighs within me, as they are mindlessly repeated
everywhere... and I just accept it as a fact of life, in our bigoted Western world.
However... how dare Cyborg make such defamatory charges? especially if he's ever
cornered to present the proof of such ugly words, we all know he won't be able to
come up with anything... at least not regarding the "systematic" end.
Shameful.
Quite the contrary, Atatürk was magnanimous toward the Armenians, as evidenced by
Article 3 of the Treaty of Gümrü, signed on December 2, 1920
between Turkey and Armenia, allowing the relocated Armenians to return to their
lands… something even their Russian "allies" did not allow, according to
"Article 17" of Dennis Papazian's "What Every Armenian Should Know." The true picture of
systematic destruction was evidenced by genuine and pro-Armenian American
eyewitnesses Niles and Sutherland
in 1919, researching for the pro-Armenian Near East Relief: "In the
entire region from Bitlis through Van to Bayezit we were informed that the damage
and destruction had been done by the Armenians... the Armenians are accused of
having committed murder, rape arson and horrible atrocities of every description
upon the Musulman population..."
"The testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by
material evidence... Villages said to have been Armenian were still standing whereas
Musulman villages were completely destroyed."
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What is the evidence that all this happened? … There were
eyewitnesses among American diplomats and missionaries. Articles were published in the
western press, and the Governments of Britain, France and Russia issued a warning to
Turkey that members of its Government would be held accountable for the events.
This leads us to conclude there was no evidence, whatsoever. The
described "eyewitnesses" never witnessed any massacres. Bigoted diplomats mainly
listened to stories of the missionaries and their Armenian assistants; if one reads
missionary prayers of the period, regarding the heathen Turks as the enemy, they felt it
was their Godly duty to do anything but love their neighbor. As war correspondent George
Schreiner detailed in "The Craft Sinister" (1920), true accounts could not be
sent through the censors, as propaganda demanded the Turks be depicted as monsters. The
Western press whole-heartedly vilified the Turks, and even the Germans refused to print
the truth, religious sympathizers having gained the Kaiser's ear. Britain, France and
Russia also conducted secret treaties
during the war to carve the carcass of the Ottoman Empire, and their issuance of a warning
only served their own opportunistic interests. (Branding one a criminal justifies the
confiscation of one's property.)
In February 1916, the historian Arnold Toynbee and others were commissioned by the
British government to collect the evidence and publish it in a parliamentary blue book.
Not very honest of Cyborg! Note his general term of nobility implied
in "British government," when not all branches of government operate under the
same principles of ethics. We don't always equate the KGB's misdeeds with the Kremlin, or
the CIA's dirty tricks with Congress... any more than we would put Britain's figurative
government, Buckingham Palace, with the underhanded antics of Wellington House; the
British must have been ashamed enough of this division to destroy it after the war. In
fact, by the time WWII rolled around, the British were caught unprepared in the propaganda
business, and had to learn from scratch.
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Toynbee's
boss, Lord Bryce, a decade prior to his official propaganda stint, in 1905 |
Toynbee later half-apologized for his distortions,
going so far as comparing the Ottoman Empire as coming nearest the ideals of Plato's
Republic. His "Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire" from 1916
are filled with falsehoods, such as there having been no revolt in Van. The young historian was hired by Wellington House's
Lord Bryce, who himself admitted the evidence in these propagandistic books bore no
judicial significance. These works were thoroughly discredited after the war, and the
British even apologized to Germany in 1936 for the lies relating to the Germans in these
"colored" books. It is a sin to refer to such blatant propaganda in this day and
age as actual evidence… what Great Britain should be doing is apologize to the Turks
for slandering their honorable image with these racist books, books that are still
continuing their evil work today.
You will have noticed the chilling similarity between these events and the philosophy
behind them, and what the Nazis did to the Jews a quarter of a century later. According to
Michael Joseph, who has studied the history, this was no coincidence. Rather, the lessons
of the Armenian genocide were brought back to Germany by soldiers who joined the Nazis on
returning from Turkey, and were applied to Adolf Hitler's project.
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A (geno)Side
of Mike Joseph |
Anyone who studies only one side of history, and a
distorted one at that, lacks credibility — and Mike Joseph is one such individual. How
many of the 12,800 German military personnel stationed in the Ottoman Empire during WWI, a
quarter-century prior to Hitler's 1939 speech, went on to become the "leading Nazi
criminals," as Joseph attested elsewhere? (Many were stationed at the West in
Gallipoli, away from the Armenian events.) Who among them rose to become Hitler's
associates, in a position to be able to influence Hitler's mind? The main example Joseph
provides is Max Erwin von Scheubner Richter.... a Vice Consul in the Ottoman Empire who
later led the SA and was shot dead in 1923. He had said "The Armenians of Turkey
for all practical purposes have been exterminated," but as a consul he relied on
the same distorted information as other diplomats, and was in no position to know; history
proved him wrong, since the majority (one million) survived… according to the Armenians
themselves.
Joseph also indulges in questionable history; he is
known to have said, "Versions of (Hitler's) speech were also taken in evidence at
the Nuremberg Trials." The Nuremberg Tribunal accepted two versions of this
Hitler talk, USA-29 and USA-30, and neither text contained the quote; they refused to
approve a third version, contrary to the impression Mike Joseph attempted to give elsewhere that the Hitler quote was accepted at
Nuremberg. He even fantasizes over a "Turkish Wannsee Conference, a secret
gathering of 75 top leaders in Istanbul on February 26, 1915 to finalise the operational
plan for the solution to the Armenian Question." If the meeting was secret, how
could Mike Joseph have been privy to the details? That is just the kind of proof genocide
advocates can use to close the book on the topic… however, the debate goes on.
Hitler said: 'Who, after all, talks nowadays of the annihilation of the Armenians?'
If not for this alleged
quote from "a man whose opinions are now in utter disrespect" (quoting Prof.
Türkkaya Ataöv), it would appear the pro-genocide forces would have no evidence at all.
Unfortunately for them, the records have been scrutinized, and nobody has conclusively
proven this "detestable piece of propaganda" (quoting again) was ever uttered.
Does This
"Terminator" Come From... the Past?
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Who recognises this indisputable
genocide? We will start close to home. Throughout the first world war, Aneurin
Williams, a Welsh Member of Parliament … drew the Foreign Office's attention to
the threat, and then the reality, of a massacre in Turkey... Jenny Randerson...
Rhodri Morgan ...
There is no end to the list of emotional, lazy-thinking people
who only prefer to study one side of a story provided by propagandists.
Unfortunately, these opinions cannot substitute for actual proof; the evidence is so
lacking that this so-called genocide can be called anything but
"indisputable."
The campaign to encourage more people to recognise the genocide is ongoing. Over
100 parliaments, regional assemblies, and local councils have already done so.
The fact that politicians throughout the world, guided by the
disproportionate wealth of the Armenian Diaspora in their countries, in addition to
the politicians' own bigotry and lack of historical knowledge, vote for meaningless resolutions means nothing… as far
as proving this alleged genocide.
Jenny Randerson said that representatives of the Turkish Government brought
pressure to bear on her to be silent after she spoke out on this issue.
What government of any nation would target the rantings of an
obscure individual so far from home? Exactly what form did this alleged
"pressure" take? Did she receive a nasty letter? Or did the brutal guard
from "Midnight Express" pay her a visit at home?
These countries (Britain, the United States and Germany) refuse to acknowledge
that what was suffered by the Armenians was genocide. …They should be ashamed of
themselves — that is what I call double standards.
That's rich. He's telling us about shame.
And how would Cynog Dafis
characterize turning a completely blind eye to the over one-half million Turks who
were systematically slaughtered by the Armenians, out of a total toll of 2.75
million Turks/Muslims, while the able-bodied Turkish men were desperately needed at
the multiple fronts accosting their country? (Supporting these numbers was a British
colonel's report that the Armenians "massacred between 300,000 and 400,000
Kurdish Muslims in the Van and Bitlis districts," 12.9.1919, U.S. Archives
184.021/265.) These Armenian criminal acts were what The Jewish Times found
in 1990 to be the true analogy to the Holocaust.
Valuing the suffering of
one people at the expense of another is immoral.
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Doesn't Matter If He'll "Be Back"... There are Plenty of Other Terminators
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The Republic of Armenia, which is situated
to the east of Turkey, used to be part of the former Soviet Union, and it is being
blockaded by Turkey.
The reason for that blockade was the sneak and sudden 1992 attack by (Russian and American
financed) Armenians upon Azerbaijanis while many slept, resulting in the murders of
thousands, a million refugees and the taking away of 15-20% of Azerbaijani territory
that the United Nations condemned. At least the Assembly Member is consistent in
refusing to acknowledge the suffering of others, while holding Armenian victimhood
on a pedestal.
We must have general acknowledgement of the truth of what happened in Armenia in
order to begin to right these appalling wrongs.
He has finally said something we can all agree upon. However,
the truth can only be determined by examining all sides of a story, without
prejudice. That is what the British attempted during the Malta Tribunal at war's end, desperately seeking to convict
almost 150 Ottoman officials during a nearly two-and-one-half year process. The
British were still feverishly trying by mid-1921 when they even resorted to their
own Washington embassy in search of legitimate evidence. After examining the most
"useful" of "reports from the United States consuls on the subject
of the atrocities committed on the Armenians during the recent war," their
embassy partly replied (July 13, 1921):
I regret to inform your Lordship that there was nothing therein which could be
used as evidence against the Turks who are being detained for trial in Malta. …(T)he
accounts given were confined to the personal opinions of the writers; no concrete
facts being given which could constitute satisfactory incriminating evidence.
Every single Turk was freed. None of the missionary, consular or "the
overwhelming evidence included in the parliamentary blue book, which was prepared by
Arnold Toynbee and the British Government" (as Cynog Dafis naively stated
in his reply to Carwyn Jones) could be accepted. Then as now, there were simply no "concrete
facts" that are essential before convicting anyone of any crime.
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Conclusions |
Cynog "Cyborg" Dafis' opponent from the page we've been
examining, Carwyn Jones, at least serves as a voice of reason, attempting to calm the
dogma that pervades Mr. Dafis. However, note how carefully Carwyn Jones sidesteps this
monkey trial. He is careful to acknowledge the massacres, as he should (since nobody is
denying massacres took place), and even pays lip service to the so-called genocide. As a
politician, he's probably wary of being in the unpopular position of one defending
propaganda or kiddie porn... shielding himself from the hysterical outcries of those who
could later attack, shrieking, "How could you be defending the perpetrators of a
genocide? It's denialists like you who make future genocides possible!" However,
Carwyn Jones has cleverly covered himself... he can point to the transcript and say, but,
Look! I said there might have been a genocide, didn't I?
Yes, it's not a pretty position, to be branded as a despicable
criminal... especially when the "evidence" from lazy-thinking bigots amounts to
nothing.
Questions to consider:
1) If the Turks truly desired to exterminate the
Armenians, how could one million have survived?
2) Why would the bankrupt "Sick Man" have
spent the equivalent of today's millions of dollars to relocate the Armenians, when they
could have killed the Armenians on the spot, as the Armenians did with the Turks?
3) What did the official Ottoman documents state…
and why were all concerned with the safeguarding of Armenians? Were these orders issued
during the chaos of war simply to fool future historians?
4) If an extermination order was given, distributed
and to be obeyed in the far corners of the Empire, why hasn't a copy survived? And what of
the countless sub-orders that would have been necessary, to fine-tune such a huge
operation?
5) Why were 200,000 Ottoman-Armenians from the east
and other Armenians such as the non-Orthodox and the sick, exempted?
6) Why were Turks who committed crimes against the
Armenians tried and some even executed during the war?
However, please do not ask these questions to Cyborg,
as he might experience a short-circuit. (Z-z-z-z-z-tt! Smoke.)
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